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[man] Good morning. Um...
I am looking for a flight from Rome to Lampedusa.
[operator] Yes?
[man] I-- I know I can book it on the Internet,
but, uh, you know, I've only just moved here.
[operator] Name?
Bergoglio. Jorge Bergoglio.
[operator] Like the pope?
[Bergoglio chuckles] Oh, well... Well, yes. Uh, in fact, um--
[operator] Postcode?
[Bergoglio] I'm-- I'm not sure, um... Vatican City.
[operator snickers] Very funny.
[dial tone buzzes]
[choral music playing]
[children shouting]
[Bergoglio, in Spanish] Once, a young man was walking
in the woods.
His name was Francesco Bernardone.
Suddenly, he found a chapel...
ruined,
with the walls destroyed.
He stepped inside.
A crucifix was still there,
where the altar had been.
[indistinct chatter]
[Bergoglio] Francesco felt captivated.
The crucifix spoke to him and said,
“Francesco, repair my Church.”
[man shouting]
[Bergoglio] Francesco was a practical man.
He went up to the quarry on Mount Subasio,
cut stones,
carted them down the mountain,
and repaired the broken walls.
[over speakers] Any journey,
no matter how long...
has to start somewhere.
[feedback squeals]
[Bergoglio] Any journey, no matter how glorious,
can start with a mistake.
So, when you feel lost,
don’t worry.
God will not give up.
Understood?
[crowd] Sí.
Understood?
[crowd] ¡Sí!
[Bergoglio] I’ve been thinking...
We have many troubles here.
It’s not fair to leave it all to Our Lady.
Who else could pray for us?
Let's see... young man!
What’s your name?
-Lorenzo! -[Bergoglio] Ah!
The name of my team, San Lorenzo!
[crowd cheers and jeers]
No, no, no, no.
San Lorenzo, pray for us...
[crowd replies]
[indistinct chatter]
[speaking Spanish]
[church bell ringing]
-[excited chatter] -[dance music playing on radio]
[church bell continues ringing]
[woman] Father.
The pope...
The pope has died.
[solemn choral music playing]
[Bergoglio, in Italian] Brothers and sisters,
our beloved Holy Father John Paul II
has returned to the Lord's house.
[reporter, in English] He was a champion of human rights
who fought for justice for the poor
and reached out across all faiths for unity.
But in sharp contrast, John Paul II's papacy
also marked a clear end to liberalization
and a return to the Church's harsh condemnation
-of homosexuality, abortion... -[wind howling]
...contraception,
and the ordination of women and married men.
[indistinct chatter]
[man, in Italian] This?
[cardinal] Archbishop of Kiev, Cardinal Husar.
[man] Good.
This?
Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria.
Many say he will be the first African pope.
Good. This?
Bergoglio, Argentina.
Leading advocate for reform. Very popular in--
I know who he is.
[man] This?
-[cardinal] Cardinal Martini. -[reporter 1] In Catholic churches,
people are praying for cardinals in charge of electing the new pope.
[reporter 2] ...farewell to the pope,
the cardinals of the Catholic Church have gathered in Rome
to elect a new pontiff...
In Rome, 115 cardinals from 52 countries
have been praying to elect a new pope.
[reporter 3] ...prepared, deeply spiritual,
but, nonetheless, very political.
[reporter 4, in French] They will choose between tradition and reform.
[reporter 5, in English] The media's predicting a dispute
between the German conservative, Joseph Ratzinger,
and the Italian reformist, Carlo Martini.
[reporter 6] Ratzinger is a central figure in the Vatican
and has long been considered the natural successor to John Paul II.
-[Bergoglio whistling "Dancing Queen"] -[water running]
[in Latin] What's the hymn you are whistling?
"Dancing Queen."
By ABBA.
Ah!
-[continues whistling "Dancing Queen"] -[in English] That's good.
[chuckles] ABBA.
[in Italian] Good afternoon.
-[man] Buona sera. -[Ratzinger] Dobro pozhalovat.
Buona sera. Willkommen.
Benvenuti.
[in Italian] The Church is too used to this glory.
This is Europe...
Our churches are beautiful but empty,
like a fire covered in ash.
We need someone to blow the ash away.
You.
Someone outside of Europe is better.
[Bergoglio] No, Martini. Not me.
-[Martini] Cardinale Ratzinger. -Ah... [chuckles]
[chuckling]
[in German] Thank you for the beautiful sermon.
You are welcome.
[in Portuguese] Cardinal Hummes, life was easier
when everybody spoke Latin.
Nice to see you.
[chuckles]
Ah.
-[indistinct chatter] -Oh. [sighs]
[in Spanish] No "nice to see you" for you, Jorge.
No.
-[bells ringing] -[all singing hymn in Latin]
[camera shutter clicking]
[in French] The cardinals are about to vote.
[reporter 1, in English] ...cardinals make
a formal procession into the Sistine Chapel...
[reporter 2] The cardinals' only communication
with the outside world will be through that chimney.
White smoke means a new pope.
...black when there's no result.
[media broadcasts in various languages overlap]
[speaking Spanish]
[instrumental version of "Dancing Queen" playing]
[man speaking Latin]
[reporter 3, in English] ...the Vatican this evening.
The first ballot could be taking place right now.
[reporter 4] There might be a vote today.
...grand doors have slammed shut and will remain...
[speaking Spanish]
[in English] Only then will we find out the identity of our new pope.
-[doors slam] -[lock clicks]
[bell chimes]
[soft scratching]
[pen clicks]
[Ratzinger, in Latin] I call as my witness Christ the Lord,
who will judge me, that I elect the one who I deem...
[pen clicks]
...should be chosen according to God.
[clinks]
[cardinals repeating vow]
[clinks]
[clinking echoing]
[vows overlapping]
[clangs]
Martini Cardinalis.
[reel squeaks]
Bergoglio Cardinalis.
[reel squeaks]
Ratzinger Cardinalis.
[reel squeaks]
[scrutineer] Bergoglio Cardinalis.
[reel squeaks]
[scrutineer] Bergoglio Cardinalis.
[echoing] Ratzinger Cardinalis. Ratzinger Cardinalis.
Martini... Ratzinger... Bergoglio Cardinalis.
[names overlapping indistinctly]
[bell chimes]
[in Italian] The results of the first scrutiny...
Joseph Ratzinger, 47 votes.
Jorge Bergoglio, ten votes.
[latch clicks]
[scrutineer] Carlo Maria Martini...
nine votes.
[machine whirs]
[crowd groans]
[in English] It is black.
This means that no candidate has achieved...
[in Spanish] ...no cardinal obtained the 77 votes needed.
[excited chatter]
[Bergoglio, in English] It's just ten votes.
[Turkson] No one from the Southern Hemisphere
has had so many before.
-The world just tipped on its axis. -[Hummes] Martini got nine.
So, it's 19 votes for a real change.
If he tells his followers to transfer their votes to you--
Reform needs a politician.
Hm?
Transfer your votes to Martini. He has worked for reform for years.
It's too late for that.
What?
[Hummes] He's already asked anyone who voted for him to vote for you instead.
No, please.
"The most important qualification for any leader
is not wanting to be leader."
Plato.
So...
that's why it must not be Ratzinger.
He really wants it.
I think the Church faces, uh, um,
-a great danger. Serious danger. -[pen clicks]
We need one common point of reference.
-Only one unchanging, eternal truth. -[clatters]
Only one unchanging...
-Only one unchanging, eternal truth. -[clatters]
You think he really wants it? Being pope is like being a martyr.
[indistinct chatter]
[bell chimes]
[man speaking Italian]
[scrutineer, in Italian] The results...
of the third scrutiny...
[latch clicks]
...are the following:
[crowd cheers]
[in English] It's white! It's white!
[in Spanish] It's white!
[reporter 1 speaking French]
[reporter 2] Habemus Papam!
[in English] We have a new pope!
That will be the words announced from that balcony up there.
[cardinal speaking Italian over speakers]
[speaking Spanish over speakers]
[speaking French over speakers]
[speaking German over speakers]
[speaking Latin over speakers]
Habemus Papam.
[crowd cheering]
[cardinal continues speaking Latin over speakers]
[bells ringing]
[camera shutter clicking]
[crowd cheers]
[cardinal] Cardinale...
Ratzinger!
[crowd roars]
[cardinal continues speaking Latin over speakers]
[man, in English] I think that, rather than a victory for conservatives,
the election of Cardinal Ratzinger
is actually a demonstration of the unity of the Church.
There weren't great divisions
within the College of Cardinals.
That it was a fairly easy choice
to go with Cardinal Ratzinger...
[wind whipping]
[in Spanish] Jorge, what will you do now?
Return to Buenos Aires,
plan my retirement.
You're too young to retire.
[Bergoglio] The Church voted to make overdue reforms remain overdue.
I can do more good as a simple parish priest.
[in Portuguese] Okay.
[bells ringing]
[in Spanish] I'll pray for him.
[gentle piano music playing]
[in English] Joseph Ratzinger has a sharp mind.
He's, uh, an intellectual...
[man 1] He's the... the watchdog of the faith.
[woman 1, in French] This protects the Doctrine of the Faith.
[woman 2, in English] He's gonna fight... relativism.
[reporter] What do you mean by that?
Well, I mean, he's-- he's going to stand up for dogma.
He's gonna be a great pope.
Oh, my God, this is the best... I can't believe it.
[man 2, in Portuguese] He's already started with "no."
"No against this, no against that..."
It's bad for the poor in Brazil and the poor in the world.
[woman 3, in Spanish] People are abandoning Catholicism
because it is too conservative.
[in English] I know Ratzinger. The Nazi shouldn't have been elected.
[bell chimes]
[electric razor buzzing]
[classical music playing over radio]
[in Spanish] Bye, bye.
[both speaking Spanish]
Don't buy Tonio's stamps.
-Oh... [laughs] -They don't work.
There’s nothing wrong with them.
I wrote a beautiful letter, and no reply.
Heh.
Sent it again, still no reply.
Your stamps don't work.
Doesn't matter how good your letter was, Jorge,
San Lorenzo will never call you.
[both laugh]
Maybe you used the wrong address.
Impossible.
It’s a well-known address.
To whom?
The pope.
[woman] Oh!
So...
Tonio's stamps work.
I have your letters, and this is from the Vatican.
Gracias.
Why the pope?
I booked my flight.
-Seriously? -Mm-hmm.
What's so urgent?
You want to retire?
Eh... sí.
No!
Don't do it.
Oh...
We need you in Buenos Aires. [sighs]
He wants me in Rome.
I booked my flight before this.
A coincidence...
There are no coincidences.
We are all in God's hands.
[woman] Mm-hmm.
[praying in Latin]
[reporter 1, in English] We turn next to the Vatican
and the stunning accusation that's the talk of Rome.
[thunder rumbles]
Confidential Church documents were allegedly leaked to the press...
[reporter 2] Ridden with factionalism, malpractice by the Vatican Bank,
-and even sexual misconduct. -[coughs]
[reporter 3] Who would have believed that one of the pope's most trusted aides,
the man who helped, is under arrest?
[speaking Italian]
[reporter 4] ...leaking embarrassing confidential Vatican documents...
[reporter 5] This dossier has only been read
-by one guy: Pope Benedict XVI... -[siren wails]
...so he's fully aware of the issues...
[reporter 6] The whole thing is a holy mess.
[reporter 7] There's no clarity as to what happens behind those closed doors.
[officer speaking Spanish]
[indistinct chatter over PA]
[thunder rumbles in distance]
[plane engine roars]
[indistinct chatter over PA]
[Bergoglio] Ah, sì.
[in Italian] Good morning.
[in English] Are you the cardinal archbishop of Buenos Aires?
[Bergoglio] Yes.
-Oh, Eminence, please-- -No, no, no, no, it's fine.
-[in Italian] Buongiorno. How are you? -Good, thank you.
[in English] The car is just out here.
[Bergoglio speaks Italian]
[driver] This way.
May I?
-Oh, grazie. -Grazie.
Oh, Eminence... E-Eminence...
No, no, I prefer to ride up front.
-Grazie. -Oh, very well.
[engine starts]
[Bergoglio] It's a beautiful car.
-[driver] Thank you, Eminence. -[Bergoglio] Very comfortable.
[motorcycle engine revs]
[Bergoglio] This is the way to Rome?
[driver] No, no, Eminence. The pope is in his summer residence.
Oh. Summer residence. Ah.
[slaps hands on lap]
Perhaps that's why he didn't get my letter.
[driver] Uh, Eminence, forgive me, but...
[stammers] ...he prefers to see his bishops dressed like bishops
and his cardinals like cardinals.
Oh, really?
Y-You have a spare cardinal's hat?
[both chuckle]
[bell ringing]
[assistant, in Italian] Yes. It's a private matter,
so it's not in the official diary.
[indistinct chatter]
[assistant] He is reading the report.
Yes, His Holiness is aware.
I'll ask if he can speak to him.
Your Holiness.
-Would you speak to Cardinal Bertone? -Ah...
[assistant] I have him here.
Ah. Grazie.
[nun, in English] His Holiness will join you shortly.
[Bergoglio] Ah.
Ah. Does the Holy Father meet his cardinals here often?
[nun] No. Uh, it's the first time.
[Bergoglio chuckles] Oh, it's-- it's-- it's not raining.
[nun sighs] Oh.
In Rome, one never knows what will happen next.
-[both chuckle] -[Bergoglio] Grazie.
[tapping rhythmically]
[man whistling]
[Benedict, in Italian] Where is he?
Looks like he's lived here all his life.
Oregano, exactly.
[sniffs]
My mother swore by oregano.
[sniffs]
It makes everything taste good.
My mom mixes it with breadcrumbs.
-[Bergoglio] Me too. -[gardener] Really?
[Bergoglio] Yes!
[gardener] Bravo!
Everything the pope eats comes from Gandolfo.
We send it to Rome. It's all organic.
Vegetables, eggs, cheese.
Ah, Santo Padre. Ah.
-[in Spanish] Good morning! -[Bergoglio, in Latin] Holiness.
[Benedict chuckles] Buongiorno.
Ah...
[in Latin] Last time we met, we spoke Latin.
[Bergoglio chuckles]
[in Latin] A short meeting.
I wasn't the student you were, Holy Father.
Please, not Latin.
-[kisses hand] -Ah.
[in English] Ah, Latin is useful. Especially when...
I have to announce bad news to cardinals.
Only 20 percent of them... become angry
as only 20 percent of them know what I have said.
[Bergoglio chuckles]
[Benedict] I'm sorry to have kept you waiting.
I know you... value punctuality.
Uh, Paolo, my last assistant,
he would have made sure I got here on time.
-He was, uh... -[chuckles]
-He was perfect, you know? [chuckles] -Now he's in jail.
Yeah.
Would you prefer to walk?
-Well, that might not be wise. -Huh?
Your shoelaces are undone.
-[Bergoglio chuckles] Oh. -[Benedict] Yeah.
[Bergoglio] Um...
[Benedict grunts]
You wrote to me asking for permission to retire as cardinal archbishop?
Yes, uh...
I have my papers here.
Uh, cardinals are not required to ask for their retirement until they're 75.
Are you ill?
-I have a problem with my lungs. -[Benedict] I know,
but you were born with that, and it's not really troubled you since,
has it?
It's in your file.
-[Bergoglio] My file? -We keep files on everyone.
So you don't have to be flattered.
[Bergoglio] No, I, uh...
-I'm not ill. -[Benedict] No.
In fact, you're very active.
You walk everywhere and, uh, sometimes use a bicycle.
[Bergoglio] Yeah, and I tango once a week.
Tango is dance?
-[Bergoglio] I'm Argentinian. -Oh.
Tango and football are compulsory.
Of course, yeah. You dance with someone?
Uh, I-- One might look rather foolish dancing alone.
[Benedict laughs]
So, for the sake of the dignity of my office, yes, with someone.
Of course, that's good. Please.
-[sniffles, clicks tongue, sighs] -Yes.
You've been one of my harshest critics,
and there's a lot of competition for that title.
I've never spoken out against you.
No, not directly, but, um...
you refuse to live in the official palace of the cardinal archbishops.
Sí, it's too grand. It's too big.
Ah... [chuckles]
By being so, um... pure and simple,
you imply the rest of us are not living simply enough.
Can one ever...
-live simply enough? -[chuckles softly]
On, uh... married priests.
I was misquoted.
I said, "Celibacy can be a blessing. It can also be a curse."
Yeah. And on homosexuality?
All I said was--
-[Benedict] No doubt, misquoted again? -[sighs] Taken out of context.
Aha... But might I suggest you try telling the newspapers
the opposite of what you think?
Your chances of being quoted correctly might, therefore, improve.
[sniffles, chuckles]
Another thing: you openly give sacraments
to those who are out of communion.
To the divorced, for instance.
Oh, I believe that giving communion is not a reward
for the virtuous,
it is food for the starving.
Ah.
So, what matters is what you believe,
but not what the Church has taught for hundreds of years?
No, no, no.
Mark, chapter two, verse 17, "I came to call sinners,"
as the Church has taught for thousands of years.
If we do not draw a line--
Or build walls to separate...
You talk about walls as if they are bad things.
-A house is built of walls. Strong walls. -Ah...
Did Jesus build walls?
His face is a face of mercy.
The bigger the sinner, the warmer the welcome.
Mercy is the dynamite that blows down walls.
-Yeah. -[fly buzzes]
You have an answer for everything, don't you?
[watch beeps] Don't stop now.
-Keep moving. -[Benedict] I have to walk. Let's go.
[watch beeps]
-Don't stop now. Keep moving. -[Benedict] You're clever. Far too clever.
[watch] Keep moving.
[Benedict] You see my dilemma.
You're very eloquent, you're very popular.
If I allow you to resign, it will look like a protest.
The Church being attacked from all sides,
why would you want to abandon her to her enemies?
Does a shepherd run away when the wolves appear?
I'm not running away.
I’ll take a parish. I’ll be a good shepherd to its people.
Don't you understand? You were almost elected pope.
If you resign, it will look like a criticism.
The way you live is a criticism. Your shoes are a criticism.
You don't like my shoes? [laughs]
[Benedict] Please, do not make a joke of everything I say. Please.
It is dishonest and cynical.
Have enough respect to show me your real anger.
Do you think the Church is failing?
-Well, we are losing people. -And that is the fault of the Church?
Not of... of... Western relativism, or permissiveness,
or what do they say now? Oh, yes, "Anything goes."
Yeah.
You said the Church is narcissistic.
-Or was that another misquote? -No, no, I did say that.
It seems to me that your Church--
-My Church? -[Bergoglio] Our Church...
-Oh. -...is moving in directions
that I can no longer condone,
or-- or not moving at all
when the time demands movement.
-[fly buzzes] -[Bergoglio] Holy Father...
I no longer wish to be a salesman.
-A salesman? -[Bergoglio] It's a metaphor.
A salesman for a product.
A product?
A salesman for a product that I... [scoffs]
-I cannot, in all conscience, endorse. -That you don't believe in?
It seems to me that we are no longer part of this world.
We don't belong to it.
We are not connected.
[sighs]
"A Church that marries the spirit of the age--"
[Bergoglio] Yes, "...will be widowed in the next."
-Yeah. -[Bergoglio] I know.
[takes a deep breath] Holy Father...
When you were leader of the Jesuits in Argentina,
you had all the books on Marxism removed from the library.
And I made seminarians wear cassocks all day,
even when they were working in the vegetable garden.
And I called civil marriage for homosexuals the Devil's plan.
-[Benedict] You were not unlike me. -No.
I changed.
-No, you compromised. -[Bergoglio] No. No compromise.
-No, I changed. -Com--
It's a different thing.
[clicks tongue, sighs]
[clicks tongue]
-[grunts] -Fath--
[mutters]
Change is compromise.
[Bergoglio] Life...
the life He gave us,
is all change.
You are the successor to San Pietro.
San Pietro was married.
Oh, thank you for letting me know. I had no idea.
We didn't ask priests to be celibate until the 12th century.
-Hm. -Angels? [chuckles]
No mention before the fifth century,
and suddenly, angels are everywhere,
like-- like pigeons.
Nothing is static in nature
or the universe,
not even God.
God does not change.
Yes, He does.
-He moves towards us. -"I am the way, the truth, and the life."
Where should we find Him if He's always moving?
On the journey?
[Benedict] Oh...
This is your ego talking.
You think you know better.
I'm Argentinian.
-How does an Argentinian kill himself? -Ah?
He climbs to the top of his ego and jumps off.
[sarcastically] Ha-ha-ha!
I'm not familiar with this part of the garden.
Where are we?
[Bergoglio] Um...
Maybe this way, where there is some shade?
Oh, yeah.
Perhaps we'll find God over there, on the journey. I'll introduce you to Him.
We defend 2,000 years of tradition,
but Cardinal Bergoglio, he knows better.
No, no. We have spent these last years disciplining anyone
who disagrees with our line on divorce,
on birth control, on being gay.
While our planet was being destroyed,
while inequality grew like a cancer,
we worried about whether it was all right to speak the Mass in Latin,
whether, uh, girls should be allowed to be altar servers.
We built walls around us, and all the time,
all the time, the real danger was inside,
inside with us.
[insects chirping]
What are you talking about?
[Bergoglio] I think you know what I'm talking about.
We knew there were priests, bishops,
great men of the Church who preyed on children.
-And what did we do? -We are addressing this.
We heard their confession,
then moved them on to another parish where they could start all over again.
-We believed if they confessed-- -Oh, we believed it was better
if nine children suffered
than if nine million lost their faith because of a scandal?
-No, of course not. That is grotesque. -A bishop! A bishop said that to me!
Uh-huh, and how did you answer him?
I told him to remove the priest from his ministry
and initiate a canonical trial. Straight away.
I didn't believe a few magic words from the priest
would make everything all right again.
Magic words? Is that how you describe the sacrament?
Confession cleans the sinner's soul.
It does not help the victim.
Sin is a... a wound,
not a stain.
It needs to be healed, to be treated.
Forgiveness is not enough.
You say "we,"
-but you mean I'm the one to blame. -[Bergoglio] No.
-Holy Father. Please. -Your protest-- Listen to me.
Your resignation is a protest against the Holy See,
-and you're asking me to ratify it. -No, no.
You say you no longer wish to be cardinal archbishop.
I ask you, are you sure you still wish to be a priest?
[insects chirping loudly]
I don't agree with anything you say.
[insects continue chirping]
-Ah, thank you. -You're welcome.
The Holy Father has retired now until dinner.
-Uh-huh. -I'm to show you to your room.
My room?
Yes.
Come. Please.
But, uh...
[Bergoglio] What about His Holiness?
-[nun] The pope eats alone. -Why?
[nun] He prefers it that way.
But he has arranged for you both to eat the same meal.
[Bergoglio] Ah.
[nun] Just as his mother used to make it.
[Bergoglio sniffs] Oh.
-Huh? -A typical Bavarian dish,
Knödel mit Soße.
[inhales deeply]
Well...
Yes, I know.
[both laugh]
-[engines revving on TV] -[announcer speaking on TV]
-[engines continue revving on TV] -[announcer continues speaking on TV]
After dinner, sometimes, he comes here to relax.
[Bergoglio] Oh...
-It's beautiful, huh? -[nun] Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
[Bergoglio] Well, Papa John.
-[nun] Yeah. -[Bergoglio sighs]
[sniffs]
Se posso...
Certo.
Sì, grazie.
[reporter speaking Italian on TV]
-[nun] Arrivederci, eminenza. -Oh, grazie.
[announcer speaking Italian on TV]
[watch beeping, in English] Bravo. Well done.
You did 10,000 steps today.
-Congratulations. -[Benedict] Ah, my goal.
My doctor gave it to me. [chuckles]
He said, "You are in good shape for 86 but very bad shape for a human being."
I believe this was a joke.
[announcer shouts on TV]
-[Benedict] No, no, please. -No, no.
-[Benedict] No, no. -No.
-[Benedict] Please. -No.
-I know you love football. -[Bergoglio] No.
-[TV clicks off] -Oh.
I've never understood the excitement myself.
Really? Not even during the World Cup? Huh?
You know, your national team and mine, we...
we could be in the final together next year.
They could be a match for Argentina.
[exhales] Yeah. That's good.
[smacks lips]
[chuckles softly]
[Benedict] Hm...
Please sit. Uh.
Holy Father...
-I want you to look at my papers, please. -No, no, no...
-No, this is... But my papers, I really-- -No, no, no, no, no, please.
[Bergoglio] Please, no,
-this is the reason I'm here. -Nein.
I know you like to talk, but I'm exhausted.
-[sighs] -[Benedict] Please, sit down.
Let's just be quiet together. Please sit.
Good.
[both exhale]
-[Benedict] Get so tired. -Hm.
[Benedict] Ah.
-Would you like a tea or coffee? -No, thank you.
I find if I drink coffee too late at night, I can't sleep.
[Benedict] Hm. Me too.
[Bergoglio] Hm.
[sighs]
Ah.
[clock ticking]
You know, the hardest thing is to listen...
to hear His voice.
God's voice.
Sorry, even for a pope?
But perhaps especially for a pope.
[chuckles, coughing]
You know, when I was a young man, hundreds of years ago,
I always knew what He wanted of me. What God wanted, what...
purpose He had for me.
But now...
I don't know.
[sniffles] Perhaps I need to listen more intently.
What do you think, Cardinal Bergoglio?
-What? Uh, hmm... -[Benedict grunts]
[chuckles]
Yeah.
I think, perhaps, I need a...
a spiritual hearing aid.
Who does know?
You know, when I first heard that voice, whatever that was...
His voice, God's voice...
[smacks lips, inhales sharply]
...it brought me peace.
Such peace.
[sniffles] Ha!
You must have felt that?
[takes a deep breath]
[excited chatter]
Hmm. The call, yes.
The peace...
I wouldn't call it peace.
[young Bergoglio, in Spanish] 180 tickets sold.
[man] Great.
-[young Bergoglio] Am I free? -Sure!
[young Bergoglio] Gracias.
-[man speaks Spanish] -[young Bergoglio] Gracias.
[Bergoglio, in English] You know, the world can be chaotic.
[men speaking Spanish]
[Bergoglio, in English] And there's beauty in that.
Oh, I started to think about being a priest when I was a kid.
I wasn't sure, so my grandmother said,
"Ask God for a sign."
Hola.
[both speaking Spanish]
[Bergoglio, in English] I did.
Nothing.
[tango music playing]
[Bergoglio] I felt abandoned.